Friday, May 12, 2006

There is nothing that can break your heart like the church, but neither is there anything that can so restore your heart as being among a few people whose love is transparent, tenacious, and utterly not their own doing.

6 comments:

James said...

Do you think at times we put too much pressure on the church? I guess I just feel like people "go to" church to get something. I believe there is something to be gotten, but as you've stated many times here, it's got to be more than just going on Sunday mornings to here someone talk. It just seems like we expect it to be something beautiful and wonderful, which is what God intended, but we often get let down because let's face it, humans are still involved.

I think this is why I've been drawn to non-denominational churches. In my experience growing up, it just seemed like we were getting our direction from somewhere else, and maybe it wasn't always God. It's just seems too much like a business.

Anyway, just thinking out loud.

JPN said...

I had this same conversation with a guy last night, he is an elder at a church and we were discussing their pastoral seach, purpose of church, what they were looking for, etc. He was big into the sermon, I'm all right with that,but how much do we really get out of a Sunday sermon. I heard a great one this morning, but how much will it change me or affect me? Unfortunately, not much. That's why there needs to be more to a fellowship than simply a dynamic speaker. There needs to be (in no particular order) love, community, solid teaching, outreach, service, etc., and most of these will happen outside of the four walls of the building. To be honest, I've become bored with church, and I don't mean that in a bad way, just that I'm not getting much out of the Sunday morning, but find myself getting more out of the people both in and out of the four walls, etc. Does that make sense?

By the way, it looks like I won't be able to make the BoSox trip June 9-12. For one thing, Lisa said no. Second, I think it's too short of a trip, we wouldn't get in until Saturday afternoon and have to leave mid-morning on Sunday. We need another few days. I'm still looking at Labor Day weekend, I have that Friday and Monday off. Thoughts?

James said...

Makes total sense to me. I was talking with Jen and about it, and maybe this is a bad analogy, but it's kind of like marriage. When people go into marriage expecting to get something out of it, they will be sorely disappointed. I agree with you that church is love, community, outreach, etc. We should go to worship, serve, and learn from God. I've got to work on the part where we carry it beyond the four walls of the church building.

James said...

I was just re-reading my comment on marriage and I didn't want it to come out the wrong way. What I was saying is that often times people get married to fill some hole, or they think the other person is going do something for them. Which, they hopefully will, but I believe we need to enter with a servant's attitude understanding that at times it will be hard and we must work for, and at times fight for, our marriage.

Ok, maybe I'm not making anymore sense, but it's late and tomorrow's Monday. Only 15 days of class...2 days of exams...and one report and planning day!!

JPN said...

I know what you meant...

Lisa and I are watching "Match Point" right now and it brings up an interesting question. The dude married one woman which brought with it a lot of money and a great job, but he seems to be infatuated with another woman (Scarlett Johansson, who can blame him). Our question is whether she is just an object to be attained for him or if he truly would love her. The other woman brings security and he cares for her, but he doesn't seem passionately in love with her. They would have a good life, but it doesn't bring with it the possibilities that Johannsson brings. What decision do you make?

Did you see that shot Cassell hit tonight? Then he did the "I have huge balls" motion, you gotta love the Clips!

JPN said...

Forget what I just said, you'll have to see the movie. I should know better than to comment before it's over.